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		<title>Comment on So much for weekly by Rudolph</title>
		<link>http://editorialcourses.wordpress.com/2008/05/24/so-much-for-weekly/#comment-65</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudolph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 16:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your opinion that to be precise with one's words is always desirable when it is possible to be precise, thus, to use the more precise word "more" as opposed to the more indefinite or ambiguous word "over."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your opinion that to be precise with one&#8217;s words is always desirable when it is possible to be precise, thus, to use the more precise word &#8220;more&#8221; as opposed to the more indefinite or ambiguous word &#8220;over.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m overtired, and that&#8217;s OK by goofy</title>
		<link>http://editorialcourses.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/im-overtired-and-thats-ok/#comment-64</link>
		<dc:creator>goofy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 17:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;If I say, “I am under a hundred pounds,” do you assume: (a) that I am underweight, or (b) that I am in danger of being squashed by tenuously hanging dumbbells?&lt;/i&gt;

I assume (a), since that is the only reasonable assumption based on  context and real-world knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>If I say, “I am under a hundred pounds,” do you assume: (a) that I am underweight, or (b) that I am in danger of being squashed by tenuously hanging dumbbells?</i></p>
<p>I assume (a), since that is the only reasonable assumption based on  context and real-world knowledge.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m overtired, and that&#8217;s OK by over = more than &#171; Motivated Grammar</title>
		<link>http://editorialcourses.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/im-overtired-and-thats-ok/#comment-63</link>
		<dc:creator>over = more than &#171; Motivated Grammar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 20:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 21, 2008 in grammar, history, modification, speech, words, writing   Did I miss the memo? Suddenly all the grammar snobs on the snobosphere are debating whether over is an improper substitute for more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 21, 2008 in grammar, history, modification, speech, words, writing   Did I miss the memo? Suddenly all the grammar snobs on the snobosphere are debating whether over is an improper substitute for more [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m overtired, and that&#8217;s OK by robertstevenson</title>
		<link>http://editorialcourses.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/im-overtired-and-thats-ok/#comment-61</link>
		<dc:creator>robertstevenson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 14:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, I'd like to invite you to my Grammar Group:
http://www.blogcatalog.com/group/the-grammar-group</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I&#8217;d like to invite you to my Grammar Group:<br />
<a href="http://www.blogcatalog.com/group/the-grammar-group" rel="nofollow">http://www.blogcatalog.com/group/the-grammar-group</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m overtired, and that&#8217;s OK by Gabe</title>
		<link>http://editorialcourses.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/im-overtired-and-thats-ok/#comment-60</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can understand wanting to avoid ambiguous usage, so in that regard I can see personally preferring "more than".

As for the snobbery, though, this isn't a matter of merely acceptable usage.  This is both correct and accurate usage, and has been for nearly a millennium.  Noah Webster himself puts in his &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=lxNzUsZYr78C&#38;pg=PA202&#38;dq=over+%22more+than%22+dictionary&#38;as_brr=1&#38;ei=KWQaSPm9DoKMsgPZhbD_AQ#PPA3,M1" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;i&gt;Dictionary for Primary Schools&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; that &lt;i&gt;over&lt;/i&gt; means "more than" (p. 201), so if Webster's current dictionary disallows that, it must have been after Webster's death.  Given how often "over" is used to mean "more than" in American English, a dictionary that doesn't include some mention of this fact, not even to condemn it, seems neither accurate nor authoritative on American English usage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can understand wanting to avoid ambiguous usage, so in that regard I can see personally preferring &#8220;more than&#8221;.</p>
<p>As for the snobbery, though, this isn&#8217;t a matter of merely acceptable usage.  This is both correct and accurate usage, and has been for nearly a millennium.  Noah Webster himself puts in his <a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=lxNzUsZYr78C&amp;pg=PA202&amp;dq=over+%22more+than%22+dictionary&amp;as_brr=1&amp;ei=KWQaSPm9DoKMsgPZhbD_AQ#PPA3,M1" rel="nofollow"><i>Dictionary for Primary Schools</i></a> that <i>over</i> means &#8220;more than&#8221; (p. 201), so if Webster&#8217;s current dictionary disallows that, it must have been after Webster&#8217;s death.  Given how often &#8220;over&#8221; is used to mean &#8220;more than&#8221; in American English, a dictionary that doesn&#8217;t include some mention of this fact, not even to condemn it, seems neither accurate nor authoritative on American English usage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m overtired, and that&#8217;s OK by editorialcourses</title>
		<link>http://editorialcourses.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/im-overtired-and-thats-ok/#comment-59</link>
		<dc:creator>editorialcourses</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I told you I was a snob, didn't I? "Acceptable" usage is not necessarily correct or accurate usage as far as I'm concerned. You've got me on the OED's definition, but I still maintain that Webster's print dictionary presents the most accurate and authoritative American usage available.  

"Now, a brief historical note: During the American Civil war, apparently it was quite common for under-aged boys to falsely swear, 'I’m over 18' so they could be in the army. The story goes that quite a few of them wrote the number '18' on a slip of paper and put it in the bottom of one of their shoes prior to arriving at the recruiting office, thus technically validating their oath" (Betalogue - http://www.betalogue.com/2004/01/13/more-than-vs-over/). 

To me, using &lt;i&gt;over&lt;/i&gt; to mean &lt;i&gt;more than&lt;/i&gt; is vague and allows for misinterpretation, which is unacceptable. If you have the words to say it best, why wouldn't you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I told you I was a snob, didn&#8217;t I? &#8220;Acceptable&#8221; usage is not necessarily correct or accurate usage as far as I&#8217;m concerned. You&#8217;ve got me on the OED&#8217;s definition, but I still maintain that Webster&#8217;s print dictionary presents the most accurate and authoritative American usage available.  </p>
<p>&#8220;Now, a brief historical note: During the American Civil war, apparently it was quite common for under-aged boys to falsely swear, &#8216;I’m over 18&#8242; so they could be in the army. The story goes that quite a few of them wrote the number &#8216;18&#8242; on a slip of paper and put it in the bottom of one of their shoes prior to arriving at the recruiting office, thus technically validating their oath&#8221; (Betalogue - <a href="http://www.betalogue.com/2004/01/13/more-than-vs-over/" rel="nofollow">http://www.betalogue.com/2004/01/13/more-than-vs-over/</a>). </p>
<p>To me, using <i>over</i> to mean <i>more than</i> is vague and allows for misinterpretation, which is unacceptable. If you have the words to say it best, why wouldn&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>Comment on I&#8217;m overtired, and that&#8217;s OK by Gabe</title>
		<link>http://editorialcourses.wordpress.com/2008/04/30/im-overtired-and-thats-ok/#comment-58</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 19:32:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Over&lt;/i&gt; has been meaning &lt;i&gt;more than&lt;/i&gt; since Old English -- the &lt;a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/00336364?query_type=word&#38;queryword=over&#38;first=1&#38;max_to_show=10&#38;sort_type=alpha&#38;result_place=7&#38;search_id=R16m-maqu7v-10188&#38;hilite=00336364" rel="nofollow"&gt;OED&lt;/a&gt; has an attestation from 1175 of "over a mile" to mean "more than one mile" (it's definition III.13 in the OED).  And the online Merriam-Webster dictionary also lists "mote then" as an acceptable definition of &lt;a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/over" rel="nofollow"&gt;over&lt;/a&gt;.  

If it's a matter of untrained minds misusing it, then Jane Austen's an untrained mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Over</i> has been meaning <i>more than</i> since Old English &#8212; the <a href="http://dictionary.oed.com/cgi/entry/00336364?query_type=word&amp;queryword=over&amp;first=1&amp;max_to_show=10&amp;sort_type=alpha&amp;result_place=7&amp;search_id=R16m-maqu7v-10188&amp;hilite=00336364" rel="nofollow">OED</a> has an attestation from 1175 of &#8220;over a mile&#8221; to mean &#8220;more than one mile&#8221; (it&#8217;s definition III.13 in the OED).  And the online Merriam-Webster dictionary also lists &#8220;mote then&#8221; as an acceptable definition of <a href="http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/over" rel="nofollow">over</a>.  </p>
<p>If it&#8217;s a matter of untrained minds misusing it, then Jane Austen&#8217;s an untrained mind.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Mindspace by janflora</title>
		<link>http://editorialcourses.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/mindspace/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>janflora</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the book suggestion. I had a friend who called it "thwriting" or think-writing. I just blogged about something similar, [working through the writing process/stumbling blocks] including two other books that are helping me even as we speak. It &lt;i&gt;must&lt;i&gt; be in the air!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the book suggestion. I had a friend who called it &#8220;thwriting&#8221; or think-writing. I just blogged about something similar, [working through the writing process/stumbling blocks] including two other books that are helping me even as we speak. It <i>must</i><i> be in the air!</i></p>
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		<title>Comment on Mindspace by Kathleen Dragolich</title>
		<link>http://editorialcourses.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/mindspace/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Kathleen Dragolich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And, as I have heard (and remember to do occasionally), even if you are not destined to become a writer, it is helpful to write down affirmations or things that you are thankful for. It helps to create a positive attitude (and a smile) and to clear your mind of negative thoughts that are dragging you down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And, as I have heard (and remember to do occasionally), even if you are not destined to become a writer, it is helpful to write down affirmations or things that you are thankful for. It helps to create a positive attitude (and a smile) and to clear your mind of negative thoughts that are dragging you down.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Experiment by Anna</title>
		<link>http://editorialcourses.wordpress.com/2008/03/26/experiment/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Apr 2008 13:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I LOVE your shirts!!  And not one ugly white t-shirt among them!!  I'll be back soon to place an order...once I decide which one to buy which won't be easy with all your lovely designs :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I LOVE your shirts!!  And not one ugly white t-shirt among them!!  I&#8217;ll be back soon to place an order&#8230;once I decide which one to buy which won&#8217;t be easy with all your lovely designs <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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